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Thank you for the article and would love to read a deep dive into VP Harris’ work on gun control. As a physician/surgeon (and cis hetero white woman and mom and Appalachian and former Republican), I’m going to push back strongly against the misinformation being spread in the comments about trans people. Surgical intervention on under-18s is extremely rare and mostly in late teens. Hormonal intervention is mostly puberty blockers, which are also used in tens of thousands of other kids for other indications, Most transitions are social in young people. Trans athletes are rare in competitive sports and usually lose most advantages from prior gender after starting medication. Nearly all competitive athletes have variable genotypes and phenotypic differences which make the different from

the average person. Given the prevalence of intersex conditions, were we to DNA, genital scan, and hormone test every single competitive athlete, bet we’d have some surprises. There are stalls in bathrooms for a reason and peeping or assaults are illegal regardless of the genders of the people involved. Transphobia is a red herring in this debate. Let’s focus on integrity, honesty, reliability, domestic and foreign policy, and ability to lead the country for the next four years.

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Maryanne Skeptic's avatar

I would implore All women to vote on the merits of each candidates Policies! Being a woman or being black are not 'earned' credentials, its just what identifies you as a person. Don't be bullied into the feminist crap and racist bs being sold here. Use your God given inte lligence to guide your votes. Whats best for your family? Have the past 3 years been beneficial for you? Be honest and make your individual decision. Listen only to yourself.

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Sanford Tina's avatar

What positives did you find/have during the Trump administration? What policies has he laid out that make you want to vote for him? Let's have a serious discussion. No mud slinging.

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Kris's avatar

Not the way to get folks onboard

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Penny Adrian's avatar

Because of the title, I assumed this was a parody account. This type of rhetoric is why so many are now turned off by the Democratic Party. I have been a lifelong Liberal Democrat, but I will not be voting for anyone in November. You're all superficial trash who have abandoned the poor and working classes - of ALL races and genders.

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Shauna's avatar

You’re not a liberal.

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Diana Prince 🦸‍♀️'s avatar

She IS a liberal, a classic one.. Just not a leftist

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Debra NY's avatar

This 69-year old white recovering Catholic is proud to give my vote and raise my voice in support of Kamala Harris for President . loved Obama. Loves Biden! Love Kamala! Thanks for this inspirational post of how to help. I will also be working the polls this election, as I have since 2020. We need more young people to train and work this election so we can vote. Please sign up.

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Dave's avatar

In addition to the insanity of men competing in women's sports and the mutilation of children in the pursuit of the unattainable, the issue of women’s privacy is equally troubling.

In my opinion the worst aspect of the Democrats’ new Education Act Title IX regulations that go into effect on August 1 of this year is that boys and men will be able to to shower with high school and college girls (including my 17 year old granddaughter).

They will have no shame in doing that when it's perfectly legal. Unless Kamala disavows this new rule she deserves to lose the election on this issue alone.

Here's an analysis of the new regulations by the Foundation Against Intolerance and

Racism (FAIR):

"The Final Rule is likely to result in sex-integration of all bathrooms and locker rooms because it prohibits discrimination on the basis of gender identity. After August 1st, if a school requires students to use facilities that align with their biological sex (which they are currently allowed to require under Federal law and regulations), a transgender student may file a discrimination complaint alleging that the school has violated Title IX by preventing him or her from using the bathroom that aligns with their gender."

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Shauna's avatar

I’m a woman and NONE of that bothers me. You’re just a bigot. 🖕

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ApeBass's avatar

How do you know you're a woman? What is a woman?

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Kristen Smyth's avatar

Oh Shauna, we know. Everyone who believes in science and logic is a bigot because they don’t believe in your ideology. Get over yourself. Grow up. Bring a logical argument to the table instead of the same boring insult we’re alll immune to now.

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Dave's avatar

Cathrine: I obviously cannot speak for women but the several women in my life are unanimous in being disgusted by the mere idea of men entering their locker rooms and showering there as are most women. You clearly are a rare exception.

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Bethel Habte's avatar

Dave, this is a sincere question: have you or the women in your life met anyone trans?

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Penny Adrian's avatar

I would ask you the same question: is the person you love most in your life a trans person? Because my only child is a trans man, and I agree with Dave. The pampering of trans women (who are male by definition) has fueled a backlash against all trans people, including trans men like my son. Your "allyship" is doing terrible harm. Do you actually believe Lia Thomas has "helped" trans people???

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Catherine Watt's avatar

Again, ignorance. Trans people do not want or need any attention. This is not YOU or some bubba coming in. Good grief. Let me know how many trans people are in your life and how you treat them. You create fear because of your own bigotry. Keep stirring the pot of hate and fear. It's all you have.

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Penny Adrian's avatar

The person I love most in the world is my son, a trans man. And I agree with Dave. Trans women are trans women, not women. Trans men are trans men, not men. There are vitally important sex differences that cannot and should not be erased by law.

The gutting of Title IX has HARMED trans people, not helped them. Your support for sex denial in law has fueled a backlash that you will not suffer from at all, but I fear my son will.

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Alyson's avatar

It is not bigotry to not support someone’s frank and literal delusion about themselves. It is tantamount to encouraging an alcoholic to drink . And please don’t use the argument that supporting( enabling!!!) trans people doesn’t hurt anyone. It hurts society. It hurts women, the very people you are proposing to defend. A man is not a woman just because he says he “ feels” like one. How would he even know? These men say they are “ more woman “ than I am because they had to work for it. And you back them. It’s preposterous. We are not sisters. The men I know who support me and support real womanhood know this. Not your ersatz idea of “ womanhood”. I would gladly give up the right to abortion on demand to defend this as well as the ridiculous CRT and DEI standards that are burning this country down. Oh, and let’s not mention the shredding of the Constitution. Please.

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Catherine Watt's avatar

I would never force anyone to have surgery they don’t want to have. Aside from that, prisons are entirely different situations, where anyone different is targeted for abuse. But I cannot, then, imagine you would want your child using a bathroom where they would be uncomfortable.

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Dave's avatar

Catherine: Children can no more "consent" to have their healthy breasts and genitalia removed or take puberty blockers than they can "consent" to have sex with an adult.

Similarly, parents and doctors can no more approve such permanent mutilation simply because a minor child desires it than they can approve pedophilia.

Ultimately society will see the truth and ban the practice as we have banned female genital mutilation. Do people support that practice if the parents consent? I truly hope not

It is monstrous to believe otherwise and those who do will ultimately be held to account for their actions.

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Catherine Watt's avatar

From what I've seen in various gyms I belong to -- and the women's locker rooms -- that might well have to be a gym decision with FAIR AND OPEN discussions. Women's locker rooms tend to have more privacy overall (from what my BF tells me), but I'm sure that's not always the case. At my current gym, any complaint about locker room behavior results in pretty immediate loss of membership.

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Tara Huck's avatar

Fabulous content and call to action!

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Phyllis Nichols's avatar

Love this message and the suggestions. Thanks for the encouragement.

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Erik Wade Harrelson's avatar

What a beautiful essay. I especially loved how there wasn’t any mention of qualifications, or admiration for skills and talent. Because as we all know the most moral and righteous among us only judge others based on skin color and gender.

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Tracy's avatar

Kamala Harris is more than qualified. People won’t vote for her because of her gender and race, either because of their own prejudices or because of the fear of others’ prejudices. This essay is to encourage us white women to speak up and quiet the naysayers and apathetic folks.

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Erik Wade Harrelson's avatar

I agree that there are people who won’t vote for her because of her gender and race, either because of their own prejudices or because of the fear of others’ prejudices, and there are people who will vote for her only because of her gender and race, either because of their own prejudices or because of the fear of others’ prejudices. Judging and valuing people based on externalities marginalizes people into categories, and treats people as monoliths. This is the foundation for discrimination. Additionally, when you attempt to silence and demonize naysayers, you’re also silencing and demonizing yourself, because instead of embracing curiosity and open mindedness, you’re choosing to be close minded and to driven by simplistic narratives.

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Erik Wade Harrelson's avatar

Instead of leveling accusations on others focus on just speaking for yourself, otherwise projection may be what you truly see and narcissism may be what’s guiding you. As Friedrich Hegel once said, “Evil resides within the gaze that sees evil everywhere.”

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Lianne Cardon's avatar

As a white woman, I am rather insulted to be told that all my past voting choices were wrong because they didn't align exactly with the author's viewpoint at all times. I'm sorry. We have freedom in this country to vote ANY WAY WE CHOOSE AT ANY ELECTION! I can vote red, blue, or purple! But it's my choice!

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Lianne Cardon's avatar

Not in this thread but the essay itself. The author said that white women who voted Republican in the past voted against their own self interest. Um nope.

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Alice Martin's avatar

Kamala was my first original pick back in 2020, and I am fired up and ready to go!

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Roseann Stanley's avatar

YES!!!! All of what you said Shannon. I am so fired up to get our VP Kamala Harris voted to be our first FEMALE Black/South Asian, President of our country. I have been having the hard conversations with people for 8 years now and now I will have them even more with my fellow white women.

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Lisa Iannucci's avatar

I don't believe that our task is really about converting Orange's voters, they are gone. Instead, we need to be trusted messengers in our social groups, be knowledgeable about the facts and most importantly, get women off the sidelines. 2016 happened bc millions of White women simply did not vote. I think that is part of what Shannon is addressing here.

Also, speaking as an info literacy librarian, I can say that the tactic of prebunking is very important - warn folks that the disinformation is coming and what it might look like. For example, I would look for the "KH is not a citizen" stuff to start today if it hasn't already. In 2020, we were warned about the danger of false info about voting by mail being spread on social media - and it was. But because we knew it was coming we did not fall for it and we voted by mail.

So start talking to people about that - I would also expect them to dig into every single case she's tried. Know where to look for the facts on this stuff. But we've already seen over the last couple weeks that mainstream media, sadly, is now fairly unreliable. So please do not just Google it, consult Wikipedia and click the links to go to the original source. And think carefully about sharing things on social media - please get in the habit of fact checking. See if anyone else is reporting the story, especially if it seems wildly different from the current headlines.

But most importantly - turn off the TV, put down the device, and meet your neighbors. Be the trusted source in your neighborhood/friend group/family. We can do this, ladies. Together, we will win.

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Thebenson67 (she/her/hers)'s avatar

Unfortunately, I don’t have faith in my demographic lining up behind a female POC when a majority selected a man they heard joke about sexual assault over a woman who looked like them. Sorry to sound cynical, but it’s the 21st Century and white women still choose to vote the interests of the men they’re banking on shielding them from the consequences of their vote. In short, when it comes to intersectionality, a majority of white women still prioritize whiteness over everything else. I hope I’m wrong, but the last ten years or so my most cynical predictions have been spot on. 😐

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Anna Nosek's avatar

I do not know if I have just gone through a small time warp, but do I hear my women wanting to stand up against the patriarchy and the bipartisanship that swells during the US election years? Shannon, your research is so vital in making this message a credible missile for voting for the next Madam President. I am Canadian with an online business serving US and other women, please include me in further conversations about the VP so I can support both white and black women in the US. ♥♥

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Laura La Sottile's avatar

The only thing that explains why 67% of white women vote for a rapist criminal like Cinnamon Hitler Trump is that they are in denial. Denial is a mental state of not recognizing reality. Phyllis Schlafly didn't realize she wanted to be a man. When women want to stomp put their own equal rights makes no sense.

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Karen Kline's avatar

Great data-gathering here by a true leader of women. I agree that we have to have the hard conversations about Trump and getting the Democratic nominee elected for the sake of women and for the sake of the future of democracy in this country. Can we all pledge to ask everyone we meet if they are registered and if they have decided who to vote for and why? Truly listen, connect, share our own stories and decision in a respectful and meaningful way. Invite the conversation and have your script ready for all the lies that will come back at you. Be ready to ask, "Where did you get that information? I need and want to understand your position and learn more. What I've read is different."

Let's hope we hear from Trump in prison.

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